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		<title>Secular song’s and non Christian song’s</title>
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I have always heard Christian friends talking about listen and play non Christian songs in clubs or just listen to non Christian music, but I don’t mean only to answers this question but rather to raise some questions in order to know that.
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<p>I have always heard Christian friends talking about listen and play non Christian songs in clubs or just listen to non Christian music, but I don’t mean only to answers this question but rather to raise some questions in order to know that.<br />
And there is bunch of questions that comes up to my mind, let’s check!</p>
<p>#1- What does authenticate or validate a song to be accepted as a Christian song or not?</p>
<p>#2- Why only music is pointed as devilish? What about the movies, soap operas, soccer, football, baseball etc?</p>
<p>#3- If what does authenticate a song to be called secular is not been explicit about God or not talking about God , there is a lot of “Christian” songs that is not explicit about God, so it is not to be considered as a Christian!</p>
<p>#4- If what does authenticate a song to be accepted as Christian is the motivation of the author, what to say about those songs that we have in the Baptist Hymnal @ the Baptist churches and assemblies of God as well that in the great majority used on old west saloon’s back in the 1800&#8217;s? Also nobody can deny that God still speaks so much through those songs and there are a lot of people that has been comforted, encouraged and inspired and even has had answers from God by the lyrics on these songs.</p>
<p>#5- If the ingredient that validates is the motivation, what to say about the motivation that some &#8220;So Called Christians&#8221; that had made with their music that guaranteed by the “ poetical License” to preach heresies, deturpate and modifying (increasing or diminishing) the word of God, lyrics like “God’s best is yet to come” among others ?.</p>
<p>#6- If the motivation is what validates why is that the American singer Michael W. Smith started singing “ Let it rain open the flood gates of heaven and let it rain” and every singer in south America started to compose songs about rain?<br />
Have they received the same anointing or it was only marketing for the great influence from a first world singer to sell millions of copies?<br />
Nowadays the anointing does not come from heaven anymore, but from US, Australia, Ireland and so on.</p>
<p>IMHO to finish this question, I sure that what define if is allowed or not to us as Christian to listen or play non &#8220;Christian&#8221;, been a professional musician or not, it is the motivation of your heart and what your priorities are:</p>
<p>A- Who are you?<br />
B- Who is God in your life? Cause if you’re a bad character any profession will serve to dishonor God.</p>
<p>Unfortunately the great majority of musicians that has gone from churches to clubs they had no idea about their identity as a Christian nor knew who God were in their lives.</p>
<p>As the Apostle Paul wrote:<br />
“Be in peace for I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,” <em>“nor the non Christian songs”</em>* Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.&#8221; Rom. 8:38,39</p>
<p>*added by me<br />
Pr. Carlos Rizzon WWW.IGREJAURBANA.ORG<br />
Ps. I have no intention in instigate nobody to listen non Christian songs nor play in clubs. If you’re serving God in a place that does not approve this, stay in obedience and don’t do it at all!</p>
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		<title>They Like Jesus, But Not Church</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi everyone my name is Carlos and from now on you guys will going to be able to read some articles here in this website in English (www.Igrejaurbana.org) that means Urban Church.
Feel free to comment and express your opinion, and I&#8217;ll glad to answer to any questions, but the text in most cases explain itself.
That&#8217;s [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal">Hi everyone my name is Carlos and from now on you guys will going to be able to read some articles here in this website in English (www.Igrejaurbana.org) that means Urban Church.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Feel free to comment and express your opinion, and I&#8217;ll glad to answer to any questions, but the text in most cases explain itself.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">That&#8217;s all for now, Best regards</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Pr. Carlos Rizzon</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Not only do we live in a &#8216;Christian Bubble&#8217;, I believe Christians have become &#8216;intoxicated&#8217; by living inside of the &#8220;bottle&#8221;.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We so enjoy the taste of &#8216;our religious juice&#8217; that is the liquid of our church lives, we fail to see through the bottle&#8217;s glass wall (gates?) to the outside community and how we relate (lack of) to them. Talk about the sinfulness of being intoxicated; I believe we are &#8216;drunk&#8217; on myopic self-performance programs, placing our faith in political campaigns and the &#8216;extreme lack&#8217; of a cultural relationship with anyone who &#8216;likes Jesus&#8217;, but does not like Christians or the church they call home. I just finished reading Dan Kimball&#8217;s new book entitled &#8220;They Like Jesus, But Not The Church&#8221;. It is a book that relates the essence and insights from the five-year-old movement called the &#8220;Emergent Church&#8221;. There is no better book on the market that can help you &#8216;read the contents label on the Christian bottle&#8217; that we cannot see from the inside, as we in the &#8216;religious juice&#8217;. Kimball tell us how the culture reads our contents label, the ingredients of this &#8216;Religious Pale Ale&#8217;. As Bono (U2 Band) once stated, &#8220;Christians are hard to tolerate; I don&#8217;t know how Jesus does it.&#8221;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Dan Kimball has traveled the world and America&#8217;s communities, stepping inside of post-modern marketplaces that churched Christians run from &#8211; or worse yet, bark at with posters, tracts and impersonal, self guilt resolving events. In his travels with today&#8217;s generation, the tattooed Tom&#8217;s, pierced Polla&#8217;s and eastern religion Rebekka&#8217;s take a &#8216;great&#8217; liking to Jesus, yet offer a repulsive view of Jesus&#8217; grace covered &#8216;gang of followers&#8217;. Here is what the &#8220;Post-Christian Culture&#8221; of America is saying;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">1. The church is an organized religion with a political agenda.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">2. The church is judgmental and negative.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">3. The church is dominated by males and oppresses females.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">4. The church is homophobic.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">5. The church arrogantly claims all other religions are wrong.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">6. The church is full of fundamentalists who take the whole Bible literally.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Now, these six points are not entirely accurate. Dan Kimball doesn&#8217;t agree with all of these beliefs and false assumptions about the church. But remember, a &#8216;feeling statement is a feeling&#8217; &#8211; it is not a lie. So to for beliefs. If today&#8217;s post-Christian culture has arrived at a conclusion, formed upon beliefs, opinions and experiences that are &#8216;reality&#8217; to the Post-Christian marketplace. Can we be slightly honest, we do come across mean, judgmental and very self-righteous.  Dan agrees with my graceland cry, if you&#8217;re hungry for the &#8216;real missional field&#8217; in today&#8217;s marketplace, start here; &#8216;eat the meat, and leave the bones&#8217;. Know that when you are finished, you&#8217;ll be full, there is a great amount of meat for the Christian who is looking to relate to the community at large in this ever growing Post-Christian culture we call America. Some of you may be saying, &#8220;Isn&#8217;t this the same type of &#8216;thing&#8217; as Chuck Smith&#8217;s and Calvary&#8217;s<span> </span>1960-70&#8217;s and the &#8216;Jesus People&#8217; movement all over again?&#8221; I believe the differences are far more weighty issues than the cozy similarities. In the &#8220;60-70&#8217;s Jesus People&#8221; movement there was a great need for emotional connectivity to Jesus and His church. The traditions and stoic styles of the 50&#8217;s were no longer welcoming the village people of the &#8216;if it feels good do it&#8217; fringe. Praise and Worship incorporated music that you could sing &#8216;to Jesus&#8217;, not just about Him historically. The services were welcoming in attire, in sermon context and atmosphere. Gifts were focused, and emotional instruction dealt with hurt, scars and deep emotional disarray. The gospel was preached and people flocked to start a relationship with Jesus, and hopefully grow in real relationship. For the &#8220;2000-plus Community&#8221;, emotions are far from the core of the conversation. Due to today&#8217;s heavy major media influences, technology&#8217;s on-demand information, self-seeding educational indoctrination and the crumbling respect for religious (legalistic/hypocritical) leadership, the church placing her faith in politicians and politics, the evolution of the traditional family structure &#8211; this generation has turned from emotions to intellect. There arguments are well formed, their logic is dumbfounding and their desire to respect Jesus without His judgmental, mean spirited church is the ultimate goal. What was emotional love without much debate in the 1960-70&#8217;s, is now relationship building with intelligent love and steady conversation today. My encouragement is for you to buy the book and read it with an open mind, a ready spirit and a heart full of love. These people think Jesus was a &#8220;powerful&#8221; prophet, wise and the prototype for all of there &#8216;other religious&#8217; beliefs and teachings. If we can offer more &#8216;Graceland&#8217; intelligence to the Post-Christian Culture that is America, then we can win back&#8230;not the country&#8230;but these intelligent, faithful individuals who want to be drunk in Jesus&#8217; truth, love, grace and companionship in the marketplace.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Please don&#8217;t simply judge, focus on the amazing grace that Abba Father has offered you, your debt that has been paid continually. Give legalistic, judgmental American religion a day off. See if you might find yourself in a coffee shop soon, eager to strike up a conversation &#8211; just for conversations sake.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Eric Hogue</p>
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